Standard preliminary sketches update

[cuban]

I'm going to weigh in too on this subject of color.

Since the ABA Std. uses black and white drawings, I'm not sure why we are worried about colored prints at this point? It was my understanding, albeit assumed, that once there was basic agreement with the pencil drawings (type) we would begin/continue the discussion of the color (particularly the female) for the next little while (a year or so?) through this forum and the Nankin Quarterly before we came to any final decision.

Charlie, I really liked the pencil drawings and I appreciate so very much your continued contribution to the Nankin Club and breed. However, I do think the colored prints need to wait a while yet: just my opinion.
cuban

[bantieman]

Going by the ABA standard hackle should be similar to a blue red OE.  So a shade between a bb red and wheaton.  I would say it would be a hard color to recreate with a paint brush.  Judges interpret the standard just as we do.  Place 5 cocks of equal type one weekend and the next weekend a judge will place them in reverse based on color only.

I always thought nankins were darker; more like a New Hampshire or ginger red.  BUT I was wrong. 

That's just the males, I have no idea on the females.

I don't think the standard should be changed to what we have today...that's to easy.  Even breeds such as the Plymouth Rock standard is nearly unachievable without loosing something, you gain one strength but traits are linked in some way and you end up breeding away from another.

Just my opinions of course.  Nice pictures Charlie 

[Pip]

Cuban,

We are concerned about color because we have what is rare in the poultry fancy or anywhere- someone with the talent to put Standard color on reasonable Nankin illustrations. The problem will not go away by putting it off a year or whatever. If Charlie is willing to hang in there in spite of criticism by myself and others, he deserves that opportunity.

Pip

[Rog]

Going by the ABA standard hackle should be similar to a blue red OE.  So a shade between a bb red and wheaton.  I would say it would be a hard color to recreate with a paint brush.  Judges interpret the standard just as we do.  Place 5 cocks of equal type one weekend and the next weekend a judge will place them in reverse based on color only.

bantieman    I have a problem with comparing any OEGB color to the Nankin. The OEGB have so many colors that to me it`s a darn game with the OEGB breeders. How many colors can we create. All we need is a Nankin color that is as true to the breed as was the original color. Since none of use have bred the original birds we need to study all of older pictures we can find. For the color. As far as type I think Charlie has done a hell of a job. Lets put the drawings to a vote with the black and white drawings to the membership. And any judge that does not have the expertise to figure out 5 cocks are not equal no matter how close in type they are does not know the finer points of that breed.    Rog

[Falling Tree Farm]

I agree with Cuban.  Let's go with the outline drawing already completed by Charlie and spend the next year or so discussing color.
If, as I assume, we agree the outline drawing is great as is we need to bring it to the attention of the ABA and APA as a first step toward changing/updating/clarifying the standard.  Howard

[Rog]

  Seems it has been a bit slow on the site. So what does everybody think of the black and white drawings that Charlie has done for type ? Why not let the members vote on it. I like it. Think it will work. Color , yes that will take some time. I feel we need to go with type first. If you will notice I think the winning birds have more of a Sebright type. Most Judges know Sebrights. Few if any know Nankins. To me the Nankin`s need to have the Sebright type. With exceptions. Not as big of a bull neck. More hackle and wider feathers. More abundent saddle feathers. And to me the most important thing . A nice flowing tail with good sickle feathers. That will sure be different from Sebrights then. Monte. You say you don`t post unless you are asked a question. A question. Please discribe your idea of the type you like.  Thanks.    Rog