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[nanfan]

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[Mary Ann Harley]

Charlie,

The drawings are fabulous.

Welcome back to the site everyone.  A big thanks to Karen.

Mary Ann

[Rog]

   There was some discussion on a spread tail before . Thia is a drawing that shows a spread tail verses a narrow tail in the female. It is from a book that was published in 2004 by some of the top breeders of Dutch bantams in Holland and translated and limited copies were published in German and English. The Dutch call for a bit higher tail angle than the Nankin but it does show a well spread tail compared to a narrow tail. Rog

[Falling Tree Farm]

Dear Karen;
Thank you and whoever helped for getting us up and running again!
Dear Charlie;
The drawings look very good to me, I would be happy with them as our standard drawings.  You have done us all a great service! thank you,  Howard Kogan  Falling Tree Farm

[nanfan]

Rog, actually the standard calls for a moderate spread in the female and well spread in the male?  What's up with that I can only imagine.  I would think a "well spread" male would tend to throw well spread tails in both sexes.  I just noticed this point even thought I typed the entire description just a couple days ago.  Charlie

[nanfan]

To the officers of the NCA:  Would it be prudent to post these sketches in the Quarterly at this time for a general NCA membership vote?  It's hard to tell when all our forum members will realize what has happened and be back on the forum and I think more members would see the request for a vote in the quarterly.  I can send copies of the sketches to our editor if this is something we want to do at this time.  I don't know how much lead time Don needs to get the quarterly ready for printing.  Just let me know after you discuss it among yourselves.  Thanks,  Charlie

[Rog]

Rog, actually the standard calls for a moderate spread in the female and well spread in the male?                                                                                            Charlie  I never noticed that either. To make things clear to folks the reason I refer to Dutch so much is that I know the Dutch breed alot better than I do the Nankins. I do think the Dutch and the Nankins have lots of things in common type wise. Feather width not as wide as Dutch but close , at least not OEGB. Tail set a bit different angle but close. But over all type real close. Minor things that make each breed different. Color not a problem. Very different. As far as the standard calling for moderate spread in the females and a well spread tail in the male it will never happen unless you are ready to breed a male line and a female line. And thats ok if you have the space. Seeing as how the hen determines the sex I just can not see how a hen with a moderate spread can produce a male with a well spread tail. Hence a male and female line. Wide tailed hens will produce wide tailed males and females. Cocks good , hens tails to wide spread. Less wide tailed males bred to wide tailed females will get you some less wide tailed females to show. Hence 2 lines. I have learned over the years of breeding that the female is the main factor. Think about it. A great producing stud bred to 10 crappy mares will not make it. 10 great producing mares bred to a crappy stud will make that stud. But a great producing stud bred to a great producing mare are where the next great ones come from. So it`s simple to me. Breed the best to the best. And hope for the best. Doesn`t  happen all time you get anything better or as good but it sure increases the odds. Now lets start a discussion on how to breed Nankins. Go for it. Just me.    Rog

[Pip]

Charlie,

I will be glad to accomodate you on the inclusion of your projected Standard drawings for consideration by the NCA membership by means of the Nankin Quarterly. If you will contact Monte, Chuck and Mary Ann for the go-ahead, you and I can work out the details. I still think that Howard has a point in a slightly longer back in the female line, but I will be glad to go with whatever the majority decides and congratulate you on a job well done. Make sure the male line has those "double gizzards."

                                                                                                                         Don

[AZ Chick]

Here is a link to the original first 6 pages of the standard discussion. The drawings are included.
http://www.goodlittleranch.com/nankin.pdf

[Mary Ann Harley]

You have my okay Charlie.

Blinky AKA Mary Ann

[Arkie]

Hay Rog are you sure the hen determines the sex of her young? Human females don't, but we are not chickens so I really don't know. By the way I really like the drawings posted, but I find few hens conceal their hocks as do cocks. Arkie

[nanfan]

Many thanks to Mary Ann (aka blinky), Howard, Don and Amy for the feather samples.  You all did a very good job and I am in your debt.  Now, if the part time job, (choke) (60 hours this week) will give me some time off, I hope to get the sketches colored and sent to our editor for the Quarterly.  I'm really excited about getting this project going so that we will have a more accurate goal to work toward.
  Yes, Arkie, the hen determines the sex of the offspring and she carries every egg germ that she will ever lay, already sexed, when she is hatched. Charlie

[Pip]

Hey Charlie,

Thanks for the update on your progress and I do hope the feathers will be a real help to you. When you get close to finishing, please send me an email and I'll send you some dough to use in mailing them here either by mail in one of those stiff cardboard mailers or something similar by UPS. I don't want them to arrive damaged as this project is too damned important and also take a chance on having the time and effort you've put into this project get messed up in getting them to me. Either way there is no guarantee of course- Blinky sent me National Meet photos by way of the USPS this way and you'd think they had to come around the Horn. It's always a crap shoot, but hope springs eternal.

                                                                                                           Pip

                                                                                                   

[AZ Chick]

I have been reading a genetics book and it did say that birds are backward in which one determines sex. I thought that was interesting.