Nankin - OEGB

[WoodyMcGehee]

I have asked this question before but I dont know if it was answered.  I have seen pictures of Nankins that look a lot like the Ginger red OEGB.  I have raised OEGB a lot in my life and I can tell the look of one very easily.  I have purchased Nankins from two reputable ladies and I really love my birds.  I wanted to find out how much like the OEGB the Nankin are suppose to be.  Based upon what I have read OEGB have Nankin birds in thier heritage. 

[WoodyMcGehee]

I wanted to add a bit more to this - I was viewing the pictures on feathersite again and I saw more of what I was talking about.  Should the Nankin have more of the body type of a leghorn or a Dutch, or should it be more of the OEGB?  On the pictures at feathersite you can see both.

In the pictures - three across - you have a dutch or leghorn looking cockerel.  Then below that you have a very OEGB looking rooster.

http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGK/Nankin/BRKNankin.html

[Rog]

   This is just my opinion for what it`s worth. I don`t feel the Nankin should look anything like OEGB. And the OEGB type is a very hard type to breed out once you have it in your birds. And yes , some Nankins have OEGB bred into them. And it shows.  Just look at some of the Dutch that were crossed with OEGB to get some of the color varieties. It still shows up after several generations. To me a Nankin should look like a cross between the Sebright and a good Holland type Dutch. And I`m sure we could get into long discussion about that statement .    Rog

[Lordcluck]

This is where we in the UK, differ from US fanciers in that British Exhibition OEG bantams, are a completely different kind of bird than the American stocks, and are  entirely unsuitable as a cross to Nankins.
UK OEG are a far more tightly feathered, muscular and whip tailed than the US version, which is more akin to what we term as ' Oxford ' OEG, our type of softer feathered true fighting Game.
UK Nankins have a tendency to be too large, and lack the 'True' type as posessed by Sebrights, Rosecombs and Dutch. ive recently been considering the merits of Seramas as a possible source of new blood to improve type and size in our ' GIANT ' UK Nankin lines!!!. . . anyone tried this in the US???!!!

[Mary Ann Harley]

Okay folks I agree with Roger.  There is OE blood in some of the American Nankins.  They were used to reduce the size.  In my opinion a mistake for sure.  Just as Roger says the genes will show up sooner or later.

Lord Cluck, our American birds have been bred down in size like they should be.  I agree that the Nankins in the UK are to large, but some of your breeders are offended by that.  You are on the right track to get them down in size.  Please keep us updated on your progress.

Mary Ann  AKA Blinky

[Lordcluck]

From what ive seen of some US Nankins, they would be hard to distinguish from ginger Oxford OEG bantams here in the UK. No doubt the OEG cross can bring some benefits to the breed, but the fact that there are so few photographs or Illustrations of Nankins from history,means that the standard is open to a greater degree of individual interpretation and therefore variation. Perhaps a good illustration of the standard Nankin would be helpful?

[javacock]

Good discussion going on here.  I agree with all I've read, and CERTAINLY agree that OEG is NOT to be crossed into the Nankin.  Unfortunately, it has been in the past, but anyone who does it nowadays needs to be de-Nankined, posthaste!  We have enough problems with the breed without adding in a mess.  The problem of females going light is an on-going trouble for me.  Pullets start out beautiful, and I think "this is the year I beat it", and then comes that molt in the Fall or Winter, and all hope is gone. 

Is animal protein the answer?  Is green food the answer?  My birds have access to both and I still get faded females (no, Rog, that's not the same as a soiled dove!)  There has to be an answer, but I am not wise enough to find it yet.  In the meantime, I keep trying.

Got a case of the CRD right now in the Nankins.  Had a pen of young stuff that just couldn't fight off the hot days, cold days, rain, no rain, cold, dry, hot, cold rain we had most of the summer, and now am fighting the sniffles, colds, runny noses, yuck.  Medication in the water is not working very quickly, so may have to start culling the worst cases and see if i can pull the rest through.  If not, just have to give it a go next year again.  All the damp weather just couldn't be overcome this year.

javacock

[nankin3]

Javacock, hope you get the CRD worked out of your birds.It has been a awful year for it with all the rain we have had here in the southeast to damp and cool I feel lucky that my birds have avoided it.
Danny

[Falling Tree Farm]

Monte-Sorry to hear of your troubles with CRD, it's nasty.  I have not had it in Nankins but I have had it in other breeds and I found it very hard to cure. Sulmet helped but I did end up culling the worst cases.  It took a warm, dry sunny spring to finally eliminate it.  Howard

[javacock]

I think things are turning around slowly;  v-e-r-y  s-l-o-w-l-y. . .

We have had some dry days with some weak sunshine, so that will help.  It is to be in the 50's this week , with NO RAIN , if the weather prognosticator is accurate.  I sure hope so and the birds and I will be much happier.

Sulmet is a good product for many things.  It works well, but I am currently out of it so can't continue using it.  Have not been to town (30 miles thataway) to get more, so I have been using clorox for a few days.  Don't know if the last of the sulmet, the warmer, dryer weather, or the clorox is the trick, but something seems to be making a difference.  Or perhaps the birds got scared when I told them if they didn't start improving, I was going to start cracking necks on anyone who had a sniffle!

Something is working.

javacock

[nankin3]

Javacock glad things are turning around for you. I hope they are'nt tricking you though, cause if someone told me they were gonna wring my neck if I sneezed or coughed I would hold it in no matter how much it hurt.lol. Hope you get lots of sun and dry weather for a few.
Danny

[javacock]

Nankin 3:  You would probably be safe.  I imagine, unless you are 2 years old, I would have trouble getting your feet off the ground far enough to wring your neck!  You might weigh a bit more than a chicken, too, so you go ahead and cough and sneeze all you want -- just not in my direction!

javacock